tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-674477454837537333.post2950930340237656761..comments2023-07-02T05:59:29.350-07:00Comments on Indie Research: 1.0 Out the door (at university)Michiel van Meeterenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15500573792832018937noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-674477454837537333.post-40384476719913999642008-07-25T11:36:00.000-07:002008-07-25T11:36:00.000-07:00@ JonathanI plan to leave a more extensive respons...@ Jonathan<BR/><BR/>I plan to leave a more extensive response on your own post later. But just to have an opportunity to have discussion here as well. I do not know the exact details for other cultural industries apart from Indies and the music industry, in which I worked for a few years. Your remarks about the fashion designers sound a lot like the experiences I have in the music industry. In short that experience comes down to (nuance disclaimer in place): In your education you form your own 'in-group' , acquire the capital, and that is what (if you are both lucky and good) takes you to success. I think the main difference with Indies is the fact that they have the tendency to approve newcomers to the in-group after people have established themselves (the issues that are dealt with in chapter 4.1-4.3 of the thesis). Globally there are a few reasons why the Indies do not individualize that much: Indies really have the feeling that contributing to the collective benefits them in the long run. It is a common sense thing to do. The thesis states a few reasons why this trust culture is there (the genesis of the community, 'apple innovation ideal etc'). But another supplementary explanation which is a contrast with the design world might be that they all learn their profession in practice. You do not become a Cocoa programmer in school, and therefore there is no peer group related to a graduation year or anything. In the absence of that there might be a stronger incentive to form a peer group later on when you already are an entrepreneur. This is just thinking out of the box right now, but it is an interesting contrast.Michiel van Meeterenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15500573792832018937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-674477454837537333.post-24355393705528491362008-07-24T01:48:00.000-07:002008-07-24T01:48:00.000-07:00Your bookcase looks almost identical to mine - som...Your bookcase looks almost identical to mine - some of the same books, lots of bookmarks. Maybe there's a project in there somewhere: Bookcases of academics...<BR/><BR/>Just to let you know I've blogged about your paper at:<BR/>http://jonathanbaldwin.blogspot.com<BR/>and<BR/>http://design-cultures.blogspot.com<BR/><BR/>Like I say in my post, I think the areas you cover have wider application to the design field and also pedagogy - I teach design and am frustrated that the way we do this individualises students when they should be collaborating. This is true even in programming and interactive design, so seemingly contradicts the experiences of indie developers.<BR/>Quickly browsing through the paper I didn't see any mention of this so wonder if it came up in your interviews?<BR/><BR/>Angela McRobbie, studying fashion designers in 'British Fashion Design' (good book) points out, using Bourdieu, that the successful designers made use of the social and cultural capital they acquired at uni, despite the individualising process, more than they used the 'skills' the course thought it was teaching them...Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04982088638354238795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-674477454837537333.post-44003829902004894242008-07-20T14:13:00.000-07:002008-07-20T14:13:00.000-07:00Congratulations on finishing! I'm honored that you...Congratulations on finishing! I'm honored that you liked my blog post title and decided to incorporate it into the thesis title.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com